#278-Dr. Gundry Transcription

The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast#278-Dr. Gundry

Dr. Steven Gundry  15:40

Yeah, I mean imagine World War Two Churchill telling everybody Well, let’s just stay in our bunkers until you know the Manhattan Project is finished and then we’ll have the bomb. And it’s the same thing. Do you really think we’re going to have a vaccine that’s going to be useful anytime soon?


Michael  15:55

No, no, we do. I’m not going to be the first one.


Dr. Steven Gundry  15:56

It’s going to be the first one is so plus, you know, I wrote an article @thrive global a couple weeks ago. The problem is if you look at the current flu vaccine, which is very well designed, I don’t take it but it’s very well designed. If you look at 65 year old people and older who are the big risk of you know, COVID those people the flu vaccine was 16% effective CDC data 2018-2019 flu season 16% effective.


Michael  16:26

So 84% of the people were not, didn’t have.


Dr. Steven Gundry  16:28

it helped none of them. And so it really doesn’t matter to me, if the virus does get a vaccine to this virus, and it works in a monkey or it works in a 21 year old. That’s not gonna help me very much because our immune system as we get older and older begins to get in a tank as a heart transplant surgeon. One of the things that was exciting was I did little babies, newborn babies and did a heart transplant and we could fool their immune system pretty well. And We could take a 75 year old man or woman and do a heart transplant and we didn’t need much immunosuppression because their immune systems didn’t work. So the idea that we’re going to have an effective vaccine, hmm. So we have to arm ourselves. And we can do that. So vitamin D, number one, number two, vitamin C. Now the problem with vitamin C is you, you lose most of the vitamin C, you swallow very quickly, three or four hours it’s gone. It’s water soluble, so you pee it off. Well, should you take a ton of vitamin C problem with that is gives you diarrhea, and that’s no fun. 


Lauryn  17:36

It gets everything cleaned up. 


Dr. Steven Gundry  17:37

We’ll get into your level of diarrhea soon. 


Lauryn  17:39



Dr. Steven Gundry  17:41

So yeah, so get timed release vitamin C. It’s available get 1000 milligrams twice a day. But this is something I’ve written about and it’s just so important to realize sugar or sugar containing foods or foods that turn into sugar like a bagel. For instance, or like fruit, or like a glass of orange juice suppresses your immune system by 70% for up to six hours after you eat that bagel or drink. 


Michael  18:14

So when we were told as kids to drink orange juice to boost our vitamin C.


Dr. Steven Gundry  18:18

Exactly, exactly the opposite. We can really do really cool deep dive on why that happens. It was actually worked out by Linus Pauling, the famous vitamin C doctor, he won two Nobel prizes for physics. Pretty smart guy, but he proved you want to get really nerdy for a second? 


Lauryn  18:37

Yeah, okay, nerdy. 


Dr. Steven Gundry  18:38

Alright, so this is really nerdy or geeky. I guess when I was growing up was nerdy. Now it’s geeky. So what happens is vitamin C is actually made from sugar from glucose, and it’s a five step process. And we unfortunately don’t have the last enzyme to turn glucose into vitamin C, but both Vitamin C and glucose are carried into cells. And to make a white blood cell work our immune system, you have to have a 50 times concentration of vitamin C in inside the cell than running around in your blood. And so there’s this motor that pushes vitamin C into your cells. Unfortunately, glucose uses that same motor. And so if you’ve got a lot of glucose in your blood, glucose gets pushed in the cell and vitamin C doesn’t get concentrated in the cell. And so your cell depends on vitamin C for basically developing an explosion that kills the virus or kills the bacteria. So every time you do something healthy, like have a glass of orange juice or have a whole wheat bagel, God forbid, you’re actually suppressing your immune system dramatically for up to six hours after you did that.


Lauryn  19:57

So how can we get the vitamin C that we should be taking Is there a brand do you recommend? No. So there’s


Dr. Steven Gundry  20:02

I mean, there’s several time released Vitamin C’s and what I do I do it even crazier. So I’ll take 1000 milligrams Vitamin C twice a day.


Lauryn  20:11

Can you tell us the brand I’m sorry, you know, I’m gonna go by it is do you have a brand? No, I actually don’t.


Dr. Steven Gundry  20:16

I will. It’s almost done. Gundry md has its own development. Okay, don’t have it yet. 


Lauryn  20:21



Dr. Steven Gundry  20:21

So you can’t go have mine yet but it brought you some of my stuff. 


Lauryn  20:24

So what vitamin C?


Dr. Steven Gundry  20:25

So so by just by time release, and there’s only a couple that make it now the other thing is get yourself lipid zomo vitamin C. or worst case scenario, go I don’t care where by the chewable tablets of vitamins. C


Michael  20:41

is the liposomal vitamin C the liquid one? 


Dr. Steven Gundry  20:43

No, you can actually get in and get it.


Lauryn  20:45

Going to show him the one we have and Taylor, do you mind bringing me a notepad so I can take notes.


Dr. Steven Gundry  20:49

So so the pen I take it four times a day, okay? Okay, so anybody can carry a few chewable vitamin C’s in their pocket and just four times a day and then you’ll have Nice level of vitamin C.


Lauryn  21:02

I mean, how many how many vitamins? Are you taking a day if you actually added to that?


Dr. Steven Gundry  21:06

Well, actually, I published that in longevity paradox. Last year, I take about 120 in the morning and about 80 at night. 


Michael  21:14

Holy, Oh, got up my vitamin game.


Dr. Steven Gundry  21:17

And you know, if you had asked me that 20 years ago, when I started this, I literally felt supplements made expensive urine. And through the years looking at 10s of thousands of people’s blood tests every three months, I’m able to tell you know, whether they’re taking not only a supplement, but how much of that supplements they’re taking, and even if they change brands, you know, I mean, I’ll get so hilarious, B- 12 I’m a big fan of methyl B-12. Well, it has to go under your tongue because if you swallow it, quite frankly, it won’t work. So I tell people to put a B-12 under their tongue and I had a gentleman come in and his B-12 is low. When I said you’re not taking your B-12. And he says, Yes, I am I do it every day. I said, No, you’re not looking at this. You know, here’s the here’s the number. He said, I am. I said, Yeah, you’re putting it under your tongue. Right? You should know. No, It’s so sweet. I use it to sweeten my coffee. It I said, but you idiot, look, see, it doesn’t work. And, you know, if I had thought that 20 years ago, you know, it’s like, holy cow, I can see the evidence of this stuff happening.


Lauryn  22:26

So you take a vitamin, you take vitamin D, you’d really do gnarly vitamin D, you take a time release Vitamin C twice a day, twice a day, and then B-12. You’re a huge fan of but it needs to go under your tongue


Dr. Steven Gundry  22:37

And you want to get some Selenium in you. There is a cool study out of China that there are certain soils in China that have a lot of songs, selenium and a lot that don’t. And so they looked at the COVID-19 prevalence in people who had Selenium soil versus people who didn’t have Selenium soil and lo and behold the Selenium so foot folks did much better and instead There now, for human studies that show the higher your vitamin D, the less susceptible you are to COVID. The lower your vitamin D, the more severe it’s going to be, period. 


Michael  23:10

So let me ask you this. It’s not up to any of us. But you know, we’ve, we’ve gone through this now for this basically the entire year, we’re close to the entire year, the first three months. If you if you’re setting the policy, sure, No, you’re not. And if this, be careful here, but if it was up to you, and you were telling people listen, this isn’t going anywhere for the next few years. And we’re going to have to figure out how to live what we’d like what policy would you put in place, because clearly just we can’t stay indoors forever. We need to figure out how to boost our immune system, we need to figure out how to continue to live. There’s a lot of people right now that are freaked out, because they just don’t know what to do. They don’t know the answer. They don’t know what steps to take. They don’t know what’s right. They don’t know who to listen to. You’re a medical doctor, if you were giving your patient advice, and it was up to them to do whatever they want to do. Like what would you tell them?


Dr. Steven Gundry  23:51

Yeah, so this is what you know, I’ve done three COVID-19 podcasts on these subjects because I’m so concerned about it, so that you know when gotta you got to get vitamin D You gotta vitamin C you got to get Selenium and you all you need to do is three Brazil nuts a day and you’ll get all the Selenium you need.


Lauryn  24:09

wow yeah that’s easy Is there a certain brand you know I can’t I can’t help any brand and


Dr. Steven Gundry  24:16

Go to Trader Joe’s or Brazil nuts I shouldn’t tell people that because now I can’t get Brazil nuts anymore.


Michael  24:20

Yeah Brazil nuts are sold out now


Dr. Steven Gundry  24:22

Yeah, they’re gone, get some Brazil nuts. Then there’s some other I think useful tricks. So one is a plant compound that’s present in onions the white pith of citrus and apples called cure Sutton some people pronounce it cure Seaton and your seating looks to be effective against this virus. There’s another component of green tea ecgc which looks effective against this virus and I actually asked my patients to have a couple of cups of green tea every day. So I think those are kind of the basic things but if you’re gonna do none of that. You’ve got to get sugar and processed foods out of your diet. And I’ll give you a great example. So you’re doing that anyway though. Yeah, well, yeah. But I had I had Donald Kessler on my podcast few weeks ago who used to be the FDA Commissioner. He’s been dean of Yale School of Medicine, Dean of UCSF School of Medicine smart guy. And he is actually the guy who made the labeling laws back during the Reagan years. And he said, let me tell you what happened. He said, we were all set to show everybody how much sugar was actually in everything. And big food when we show them what we’re going to do. So you can’t do that. You can’t tell people how much sugar you


Michael  25:44

Fuck up the whole business.


Dr. Steven Gundry  25:46

They said, You’re not going to do this. He said, You know what they did. They walked into Reagan’s office and said, Your boy here can’t do this. And next thing I know, Reagan’s on the phone saying we can’t do that wouldn’t be nice. So what they did was they hid where the sugar was. So here’s the tip. And if they want one tip today, here’s the tip. So you look at the package. If you’re looking at a label on the back number one, put the package down because there’s no label for instance on a head of lettuce. So but if you’re reading the label, look at total carbohydrates. Take away fiber, which is right below it. That will tell you the amount of sugar per serving in that package. Do not look where it says sugar, that’s a lie. And then divide that number. It’ll be in grams, divide that number by four. And there are four grams of sugar per teaspoon. So you will see how many teaspoons of sugar there is in that product. I do this. I have a bunch of have healthy snacks in my office to show my patients and you know, I write about hey, you know, Taro roots, cool stuff and plantings cool stuff. And so people go out and buy taro root chips or plantain chips, or almond flour tortillas or almond flour, tortilla chips. And they, they come in and their blood work is kind of funky and they’re not losing weight. And I go, Well, you know, what do you eat? And I said, Oh, you know, all this healthy stuff isn’t let me show you this. So let’s just take for instance, a tortilla chip. So in a package of tortilla chips, if you eat 10 of these healthy tortilla chips, we’re not talking about corn we’re talking about you know, I won’t Britain name the brand because I like them, but they’re there. Yeah. Okay, so they’re unfortunately, like 24 grams of sugar per serving. Divide that by four. There’s six teaspoons of sugar in that serving that you were munching on. And it’s so healthy for you. And people don’t know because we lied to them.


Dr. Steven Gundry  28:15

I didn’t. But that was how it came about.


Lauryn  28:18

Well, this is fitting very well for this podcast. We all deserve to know what we’re putting into our bodies. And that’s why we are huge fans of Ritual. This has been all over my social media. It’s been on my stories. It’s been on my blog, it’s been on the podcast, I cannot shut the EFF up about Ritual. Why I am so obsessed with this brand. As I know, it’s one of those brands that I’m going to recommend to you guys. You’re going to take it every day, it’s going to become a part of your lifestyle. And you’re going to be obsessed with the results. So for me to recommend it, it’s not one of those things. It’s going to be sitting in your drawer collecting cobwebs. Okay. This is something that you can put next your tongue scraper and you can just pop it in your mouth every day. You’re going to get all your vitamins in one vitamin. It’s also a vitamin that doesn’t taste nasty. So it’s minty fresh. And this was really important to me when I was pregnant, I took Rituals prenatals and the prenatal is like a lemony taste. So it doesn’t make you feel nauseous when you take it. There’s so many vitamins out there that you take them and you get that shocky annoying feeling in the back of your throat and Rituals vitamins are not like that at all. You can take them on an empty stomach like I do they have a delayed release, like I said, No nausea designed capsule, very, very gentle on the stomach. So what you should know about Ritual is they use high quality ingredients. You can see everything on their site. They left out all mystery like shady additives, no synthetic fillers, no extras that we don’t need okay. Daily changes can lead to big results. So start small today Rituals offering The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Show listeners 10% off your first three months Try it out Satisfaction Guaranteed at go to ritual.com/skinny to start your Ritual today. That’s 10% off during your first three months at ritual.com/skinny guys, I know you are going to love this brand. So what are some foods that people think are healthy, that are not healthy? And what are some modifications people can make to those foods?


Dr. Steven Gundry  30:22

Well, so number one, the idea of whole grain goodness is just just an anathema. Number one, they’re really good word and it’s just, I mean whole grain goodness. First of all, look at your whole grain bread. And do you see any whole grains in there? No, they’ve all been ground up. And when you grind up a haul of wheat or oats or whatever, you release the oils to air and that oil oxidizes and goes rancid. So you have to put a preservative in that package and you don’t even have to put it on the label to keep it from oxidizing. You don’t have to put it on a label because it’s what’s called grass generally regarded as safe. For instance, Roundup is grass. You don’t have to disclose that there’s Roundup in your package. You don’t, it’s generally regarded as safe. Even though you just heard Bayer settled. $20 billion So, so whole grains they’re ground up so they’ve gone rancid to prevent them from being rancid. There’s BHT, BHT is one of the best endocrine disruptors that anybody has ever invented. And if you want to put some weight on BHT is a great way to gain weight. Secondly, we know that in wheat there’s this cool little lectin called wheat germ agglutinin wGA. It’s so small, you don’t need leaky gut to make it get through the wall of your gut. It can bind to fat cells and act like insulin and pump sugar into your fat cells so that you will store fat. I grew up in Omaha, Nebraska, we had the world’s largest stockyards at that time. Very proud, very proud. How do we fatten an animal for slaughter? We feed cows and pigs, whole grains, primarily corn and beans, soybeans. That’s how we fatten them. And so if you want to get fat, eat whole grains and beans, and I guarantee you it’ll work just fine.


Lauryn  32:36

What is a brand of bread that you would recommend?


Dr. Steven Gundry  32:40

So there’s, there’s no brand of bread that I recommend, because the problem is, it’s still primarily pure sugar. So getting back to to Don Kessler, he says, Let me give you a big thing. You’re gonna go to the store and pick up and you’re gonna think it’s great. He says, Okay, so here’s this thing and You’re going to buy and it has 33 grams of total carbohydrates. It has one gram of fiber and it has zero sugar. And it has four grams of protein. And it’s fat free. So what is that? And you know, so Well, I’ll tell you what it is. It’s a bagel. And bagel says it has no sugar. But the way flour has been manipulated, now, it is sugar faster than you can digest sugar so that that healthy bagel is swallowing well, so for under eight teaspoons of sugar that will actually make your blood sugar go up faster than if you actually swallowed eight teaspoons of sugar. That healthy bagel can


Lauryn  33:49

I ever eat a bagel again?


Dr. Steven Gundry  33:51

I want you to think about it and make a choice and say gee now if you are going to eat a bagel, what you want to do is eat a sourdough bagel that wasn’t bought in the grocery store that was bought from somebody who actually made it. And there’s a fabulous company up in the Bay Area that now makes sourdough bread out of approved flours like millet and sorghum. And just look it up on so if you’re eating bread sourdough, the purpose of bread is to get olive oil into your mouth and I brought you Yeah.


Lauryn  34:29

So I want to you I want to eat the sourdough bread brand that you just recommended with your olive oil on top of it perfect. What’s the sourdough bread? You said? What did you say it was called? 


Dr. Steven Gundry  34:37

It’s I got it. Let me look it up real quick.


Michael  34:40

Where are we going? Okay, okay, so where are we going while you’re looking it up? I gotta go. I gotta go back to this because I’m gonna kick myself I don’t how are we feeling about the masks do the masks no masks you know you don’t want that to grable people get angry about the mass conversation but I just want to know like from medical experience, what it what does it help is not help social where who Should not wear him.


Dr. Steven Gundry  35:00

Yeah, so first of all masks unless they’re n95 masks will not filter viruses.


Michael  35:07

Cowboy bandanas?


Dr. Steven Gundry  35:08

No. And I’ve got a cop by been there right here. 


Michael  35:10



Dr. Steven Gundry  35:10

But and I agree with a lot of evidence that one of the problems with masks in general is, first of all, you’re going to reuse this. And you’re not gonna wash it every time you take it off cause, it’s going to make you feel fairly invincible, that you can actually touch your the mask and touch your face. So that you know I’m holding this microphone, which I’m sure so much contaminated with COVID. And so I’m going to put my mask on so now it’s already on my mask. But so what I like about a mask is that it actually impresses upon you that you should social distance from somebody. And I think if we view it with that effect, I’m actually all for masks if you view it as a way of you know, Please, cuz we just have to stay away from each other right now. But I think one of the things coming, they’re going to trap a lot of stuff. No, but there are a few pretty decent studies that there may be somewhere between 20 and 50% effective at reducing transmission. Talk about being ahead of the curve. I cannot think of another company. Besides maybe Dear Media in this podcast network that has been so far ahead of the curve guys. Skillshare we have been talking about this platform for what Lauren for years now for years long.

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